I think the programme benefits the individual in more than one way. It gives them confidence which is key for black and ethnic minority staff. One of the things that we have discovered is that a lot of black and ethnic minority staff do not have the confidence that they should have bearing in mind the level of qualifications that they have and their level of expertise.
So the programme gives them a lot of confidence, it gives them the experience that they need, and it also gives them the exposure, which is really important.
The exposure to senior people in the NHS who support them, who will help them, who will nurture them, is something that they wouldn't receive if they were not on this programme.
And what does Breaking Through give the NHS? This programme gives the NHS black and ethnic minority people who are ready and able to perform and function at director level and executive director level competently, appropriately and properly.